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bye-bye military segregation

...and with that an archaic, hateful law is off our books!

"Don't ask, don't tell" is repealed in historic vote.

Soldiers discharged due to the rule (18,000 since Clinton) can now re-join the military. Eight Republicans even voted for dropping it. The times, they are a-changin'.

Chris

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bogwitch64
Dec. 19th, 2010 06:25 pm (UTC)


mckitterick
Dec. 19th, 2010 09:57 pm (UTC)
That's quite a "Yehaw!"
fortyozspartan
Dec. 20th, 2010 02:15 pm (UTC)
I feel like it should be rainbow colored though.
saycestsay
Dec. 19th, 2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
I am pleased beyond belief that DADT is off the books

BUT

it's not an archaic law. The law before DADT was "we will actively ferret out gay and dishonorably discharge them." Believe it or not, DADT was a reasonable step forward... and yes it caused problems but not on the previous scale. I'm PANICKED that in the vacuum left by the repeal we'll go back to catch and release :(

As in any civil rights situation we gain in increments. I haven't heard of any new protections in place. Are there?
mckitterick
Dec. 19th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
Right, I understand that this was Clinton's step toward something better, but it was still absurd that we'd have to incrementally enable rights for our citizens. The fact that gay people still cannot marry... makes me disgusted that hasn't been changed yet.

I hadn't considered this might cause freak-outs among the crazy anti-gay types leading to going back to the old gay-hunting days. One assumes not, because the military is now charged with researching and implementing the new policy over time, and it allows variation among the branches of the military (some branches are more worried than others).
james_nicoll
Dec. 19th, 2010 08:06 pm (UTC)
You don't think they repealed DADT but forgot to also get rid of the existing rule against gays in the US military, do you?
mckitterick
Dec. 19th, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
Now there's a nightmare scenario. I can't find anything that speaks definitively whether or not the original rule went out the window when DADT came into force....
tully01
Dec. 20th, 2010 03:29 am (UTC)
It wasn't an actual rule, other than Article 125 (UCMJ code against sodomy). It was a policy that deemed homosexuality "incompatible with military service." It went out the door with DADT, I believe.

Article 125 still applies, but has already been constricted (in non-gay sodomy cases) to the scope of things lying outside of the liberty exceptions of Lawrence v. Texas. And gays in the military should continue keeping their heads down until the repeal has been implemented, as it is still in effect until repeal works through all the hoops.
siro_gravity
Dec. 19th, 2010 08:58 pm (UTC)
YAY!!!!!!!

mckitterick
Dec. 19th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)
Dancing banana says Yay!
graydown
Dec. 19th, 2010 09:13 pm (UTC)
Great! When will we end discrimination against women in the military?
mckitterick
Dec. 19th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)
Probably when we end practical discrimination against gays - that is, when humans grow the fuck up.
jimmy_hollaman
Dec. 20th, 2010 02:05 am (UTC)
A film i watched had a part about how you could tell if a person was gay in the military. You are suppose to keep a eye on the people that work the hardest, as they have some thing to hide. (it was a memo from the top brass)
tully01
Dec. 20th, 2010 03:32 am (UTC)
That actually came from real research in WW2, Jimmy. Showed that the people they were discharging for homosexual activity tended to be smarter, better-educated, and more productive than the average soldier. Talk about a clue-hammer that missed entirely ...
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